11.8 planning

[Jonathan Wiltshire]

Hi,

I'm sending this separately to a similar mail for 12.1. That's because the
timings are far enough out that they would make sense on separate weekends,
but they could also be stretched[1] and combined.

Two months from 29th April is around the 1st July, so I propose:

1st July
8th July
15th July at a push


1: a shame that joke hasn't worked for some years now


Thanks,

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hi,

Post by Jonathan Wiltshire
I'm sending this separately to a similar mail for 12.1. That's because the
timings are far enough out that they would make sense on separate weekends,
but they could also be stretched[1] and combined.
1st July
8th July
15th July at a push

I can push the d-i buttons for any dates; I think I'd rather avoid
having to do debian-cd bits if others are available (it'd be a chance
to finalize my streamlining work, but the past few months have been
absolutely exhausting; I'd like to take a breather, or ten).


Cheers,

[Donald Norwood]

Hi,

Post by Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,
I'm sending this separately to a similar mail for 12.1. That's because the
timings are far enough out that they would make sense on separate weekends,
but they could also be stretched[1] and combined.
1st July
8th July
15th July at a push
1: a shame that joke hasn't worked for some years now

The joke made me chortle. :)

I got the emails out of order.

8th and 15th for Press.



--



Be well,

-Donald

[Mark Hymers]

On Mon, 19, Jun, 2023 at 10:02:27PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire spoke thus..

Post by Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,
I'm sending this separately to a similar mail for 12.1. That's because the
timings are far enough out that they would make sense on separate weekends,
but they could also be stretched[1] and combined.
1st July
8th July
15th July at a push

Same as the 12.1 - 15th is out, but 1st and 8th are ok.

Mark

[Steve McIntyre]

Post by Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,
I'm sending this separately to a similar mail for 12.1. That's because the
timings are far enough out that they would make sense on separate weekends,
but they could also be stretched[1] and combined.
1st July
8th July
15th July at a push
1: a shame that joke hasn't worked for some years now

1st July is out for me, but I can do the others fine.

[Adam D. Barratt]

Post by Jonathan Wiltshire
I'm sending this separately to a similar mail for 12.1. That's
because the
timings are far enough out that they would make sense on separate weekends,
but they could also be stretched[1] and combined.

As we discussed on IRC, when we have both stable and oldstable point
releases to do, they should happen on the same day. Otherwise, version
skew from packages such as browsers and OpenJDK causes us more work
(e.g. openjdk-17 is already at opu > stable). Not that it's directly
relevant to this discussion, but the stable point release should also
always be first - both because it resolves the version skew more
neatly, and because it means the images team can get started on
handling stable while the rest of us deal with oldstable.

The traditional cadence for oldstable point releases is four months,
rather than two. That technically means that 11.8 would be due
somewhere in late August to mid-September. So we could either punt 11.8
so it aligns with 12.2 rather than 12.1, or do 11.8 together with 12.1
and then align 11.9 with 12.3.

I think I'd prefer the latter option, i.e. we do 11.8+12.1 in July,
12.2 probably September, then 11.9+12.3 Novemberish.

Post by Jonathan Wiltshire
1st July
8th July
15th July at a push

The 1st would mean freezing this coming weekend, which is very tight.

As per the 12.1 mail, either the 8th or 15th would work for me, with a
preference for the latter. Given the explanation above though, I think
the 22nd would be fine for 11.8 as well.

Regards,

Adam

[Donald Norwood]

Hi,

Post by Adam D. Barratt
The traditional cadence for oldstable point releases is four months,
rather than two. That technically means that 11.8 would be due
somewhere in late August to mid-September. So we could either punt 11.8
so it aligns with 12.2 rather than 12.1, or do 11.8 together with 12.1
and then align 11.9 with 12.3.
...
The 1st would mean freezing this coming weekend, which is very tight.
As per the 12.1 mail, either the 8th or 15th would work for me, with a
preference for the latter. Given the explanation above though, I think
the 22nd would be fine for 11.8 as well.

I think pushing everything forward at this time would be advisable as
several people have indicated that they need a breather. A slight delay may
be ideal.

--



Be well,

-Donald

[Adam D. Barratt]

Hi Donald,

Post by Donald Norwood
Hi,

Post by Adam D. Barratt
The traditional cadence for oldstable point releases is four
months,
rather than two. That technically means that 11.8 would be due
somewhere in late August to mid-September. So we could either punt 11.8
so it aligns with 12.2 rather than 12.1, or do 11.8 together with 12.1
and then align 11.9 with 12.3.
...
The 1st would mean freezing this coming weekend, which is very tight.
As per the 12.1 mail, either the 8th or 15th would work for me, with a
preference for the latter. Given the explanation above though, I think
the 22nd would be fine for 11.8 as well.

I think pushing everything forward at this time would be advisable
as several people have indicated that they need a breather. A slight
delay may be ideal.

I'm assuming you mean what at least in en_GB is normally referred to as
"pushing things back" - i.e. making things later than suggested.

Did you just mean that we should opt for the later of the dates
suggested (July 22nd), or did you have something else in mind?

Regards,

Adam

[Donald Norwood]

Post by Adam D. Barratt
Hi Donald,

Post by Donald Norwood
Hi,

Post by Adam D. Barratt
The traditional cadence for oldstable point releases is four
months,
rather than two. That technically means that 11.8 would be due
somewhere in late August to mid-September. So we could either punt 11.8
so it aligns with 12.2 rather than 12.1, or do 11.8 together with 12.1
and then align 11.9 with 12.3.
...
The 1st would mean freezing this coming weekend, which is very tight.
As per the 12.1 mail, either the 8th or 15th would work for me, with a
preference for the latter. Given the explanation above though, I think
the 22nd would be fine for 11.8 as well.

I think pushing everything forward at this time would be advisable
as several people have indicated that they need a breather. A slight
delay may be ideal.

I'm assuming you mean what at least in en_GB is normally referred to as
"pushing things back" - i.e. making things later than suggested.
Did you just mean that we should opt for the later of the dates
suggested (July 22nd), or did you have something else in mind?

Sorry for the block quote:

Phrasal verbs can be so very confusing. Yes you are correct. I suggest
moving the dates into the future to allow for everyone to relax a bit and
be in tune for the next releases.

I believe the 22nd would be best, unless others have differing input to the
date selection.


*Push or pull? I asked a colleague and they thought push forward would be
to advance toward/through the difficulty, and pull forward would be to move
something closer. I asked another and they expressed a reversal of the
terms in the contrary.

--



Be well,

-Donald

[Jonathan Wiltshire]

Post by Adam D. Barratt
The traditional cadence for oldstable point releases is four months,
rather than two. That technically means that 11.8 would be due
somewhere in late August to mid-September. So we could either punt 11.8
so it aligns with 12.2 rather than 12.1, or do 11.8 together with 12.1
and then align 11.9 with 12.3.
I think I'd prefer the latter option, i.e. we do 11.8+12.1 in July,
12.2 probably September, then 11.9+12.3 Novemberish.

Yes, I had forgotten about the transition to oldstable candece. I was going
to suggest, though, that 11.8 gets pushed back to cadence with 12.2 and we
just do 12.1 on its own first. How does that sound?

[Steve McIntyre]

Post by Jonathan Wiltshire

Post by Adam D. Barratt
The traditional cadence for oldstable point releases is four months,
rather than two. That technically means that 11.8 would be due
somewhere in late August to mid-September. So we could either punt 11.8
so it aligns with 12.2 rather than 12.1, or do 11.8 together with 12.1
and then align 11.9 with 12.3.
I think I'd prefer the latter option, i.e. we do 11.8+12.1 in July,
12.2 probably September, then 11.9+12.3 Novemberish.

Yes, I had forgotten about the transition to oldstable candece. I was going
to suggest, though, that 11.8 gets pushed back to cadence with 12.2 and we
just do 12.1 on its own first. How does that sound?

WFM.

[Luna Jernberg]

Can help the 1th or 8th July the 15th i am having vacation

Post by Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,
I'm sending this separately to a similar mail for 12.1. That's because the
timings are far enough out that they would make sense on separate weekends,
but they could also be stretched[1] and combined.
1st July
8th July
15th July at a push
1: a shame that joke hasn't worked for some years now
Thanks,
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[Jonathan Wiltshire]

After some discusion we'll leave 11.8 until its proper cadence in September
and combine it with 12.2.